Elite Defenceman Are Drafted In The 2nd Round

As the NHL draft gets closers, it’s always interesting to look back and see where some of the top players were picked. Most of the time it gives fans and GM’s hope they can find a late round sleeper.

If we look back at past drafts, were all the best defenceman high picks?

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These were the parameters I used for the sample, looking back as far as the 1999-2000 season.

  • Nominated for the Norris trophy
  • Conn Smythe winner
  • Finished among the top five in scoring for defenceman in a season
  • Finished among the top five in TOI for defenceman in a season

Obviously there are a lot of other ways to determine a defencemans worth, but if I’m drafting a defenceman with a high pick, I’m expecting someone who will eat a ton of minutes, produces offence or even better, both.

If a player showed up more than once in any category, their draft results were only used once, so repeat appearances lowered the sample size, but didn’t saturate it. If a player was undrafted, I gave them a dummy “200th overall” pick.

Here’s how it shook out.

Out of the 45 players in this sample, the average pick was 74th overall, so 3rd or 4th round depending on the draft year. (37% 1st rounders)

If we only look at the top 19 and eliminate the players who only showed up two times or less, the average pick was 46th overall, so a 2nd rounder today. (47%1st rounders)

I’m not sure I would put too much stock into these numbers, but at the very least, it displays how unbelievable Niklas Lidstrom was.

Rankings

Here is how the players ranked based how many times they show up in the sample and when they were drafted.

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1. Lidstrom (26 times)- 3rd Round, 53rd Overall- 1989

2. Pronger (12 times)- 1st Round, 2nd Overall- 1993

3. Niedermayer (11 times )- 1st Round, 3rd Overall- 1991

4. Chara (9 times)- 3rd Round, 56th Overall- 1996

5. Gonchar (8 times)- 1st Round, 14th Overall- 1992

6. Zubov (6 times)- 5th Round, 85th Overall- 1990

6. Blake (6 times)- 4th Round, 70th Overall- 1988

8. Keith (5 times)- 2nd Round, 54th Overall- 2002

8. Bouwmeester (5 times)- 1st Round, 3rd Overall- 2002

8. Phaneuf (5 times)- 1st Round, 9th Overall- 2003

8. Campbell (5 times)- 6th Round, 156th Overall- 1997

12. Boyle (4 times)- Undrafted

12. Weber (4 times )- 2nd Round, 49th Overall- 2003

12. Green (4 times)- 1st Round, 29th Overall- 2004

15. Leetch (3 times)- 1st Round, 9th Overall- 1986

15. McCabe (3 times)- 2nd Round, 40th Overall- 1993

15. Desjardins (3 times)- 2nd Round, 38nd Overall- 1987

15. Ryan Suter (3 times)-1st Round, 7th Overall- 2003

15. Doughty (3 times)- 1st Round, 2nd Overall- 2008

20. Ozolinsh (2 times)- 2nd Round, 30th Overall- 1991

20. Rafalski (2 times)- Undrafted

20. Streit (2 times)- 9th Round, 262nd Overall- 2004

20. Kaberle (2 times)- 8th Round, 204th Overall- 1996

20. Subban (2 times)- 2nd Round, 43rd Overall- 2007

20. D. Hatcher (2 times)- 1st Round, 8th Overall- 1990

20. MacInnis (2 times)- 1st Round, 15th Overall- 1981

20. Markov (2 times)- 6th Round, 162nd Overall- 1998

20. Kris Letang (2 times)- 3rd Round, 62nd Overall- 2005

20. Yandle (2 times)- 4th Round, 105th Overall- 2005

20. Aucoin (2 times)- 5th Round, 117th Overall-1992

20. Stevens (2 times)- 1st Round, 5th Overall- 1982

20. Byfuglien (2 times)- 8th Round, 245th Overall- 2003

20. Beauchemin (2 times)- 3rd Round, 75th -1998

20. Visnovskly (2 times)- 4th Round, 118th- 2000

35. Souray (1 time)- 3rd Round, 71st Overall- 1994

35. Zidlicky (1 time)- 6th Round, 176th Overall- 2001

35. Pietrangelo (1 time)- 1st Round, 4th Overall-2008

35. Wisniewski (1 time)- 5th Round, 156th Overall- 2002

35. Housley (1 time)- 1st Round, 6th Overall- 1982

35. Girardi (1 time)- Undrafted

35. Corvo (1 time)- 4th Round, 83rd Overall- 1997

35. Ohlund (1 time)- 1st Round, 13th Overall- 1994

35. Svehla (1 time)- 4th Round, 78th Overall- 1992

35. Bourque (1 time)- 1st Round, 8th Overall- 1979

35. Karlsson (1 time)- 1st Round, 15th Overall- 2008

Sample

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Conn Smythe Winner

2006-07        Scott Niedermayer

2001-02         Nicklas Lidstrom

1999-00         Scott Stevens

Norris Trophy Finalists

2013

Subban- *winner

Kris Letting

Ryan Suter

2012

Chara

Karlsson- *winner

Weber

2011

Lidstrom- *winner

Chara

Weber

2010

Doughty

Green

Keith- *winner

2009

Chara- *winner

Green

Lidstrom

2008

Chara

Lidstrom- *winner

Phaneuf

2007

Pronger

Neidermyer

Lidstrom – *winner

2006

Lidstrom- *winner

Neidermyer

Zubov

2005

Lockout

2004

Chara

Neidermyer- *winner

Pronger

2003

Lidstrom- *winner

Macinnis

Hatcher

2002

Lidstrom- *winner

Chelios

Blake

2001

Lidstrom- *winner

Bourque

Stevens

2000

Pronger- *winner

Lidstrom

Blake

Top Five Scoring

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2013

1

P.K. Subban

42

11

27

38

2

Kris Letang

35

5

33

38

3

Ryan Suter

48

4

28

32

4

Andrei Markov

48

10

20

30

5

Keith Yandle

 

2012

1

Erik Karlsson

OTT

D

81

19

59

78

2

Dustin Byfuglien

WPG

D

66

12

41

53

3

Brian Campbell

FLA

D

82

4

49

53

4

Zdeno Chara

BOS

D

79

12

40

52

5

Alex Pietrangelo

STL

D

81

12

39

51

2011

1

Lubomir Visnovsky

ANA

D

81

18

50

68

2

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

82

16

46

62

3

Keith Yandle

PHX

D

82

11

48

59

4

Dustin Byfuglien

ATL

D

81

20

33

53

5

James Wisniewski

NYI, MTL

D

75

10

41

51

2010

1

Mike Green

WSH

D

75

19

57

76

2

Duncan Keith

CHI

D

82

14

55

69

3

Drew Doughty

LAK

D

82

16

43

59

4

Dan Boyle

SJS

D

76

15

43

58

5

Chris Pronger

PHI

D

82

10

45

55

2009

1

Mike Green

WSH

D

68

31

42

73

2

Andrei Markov

MTL

D

78

12

52

64

3

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

78

16

43

59

4

Scott Niedermayer

ANA

D

82

14

45

59

5

Brian Rafalski

DET

D

78

10

49

59

2008

1

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

76

10

60

70

2

Sergei Gonchar

PIT

D

78

12

53

65

3

Mark Streit

MTL

D

81

13

49

62

4

Brian Campbell

BUF, SJS

D

83

8

54

62

5

Dion Phaneuf

CGY

D

82

17

43

60

2007

1

Scott Niedermayer

ANA

D

79

15

54

69

2

Sergei Gonchar

PIT

D

82

13

54

67

3

Sheldon Souray

MTL

D

81

26

38

64

4

Dan Boyle

TBL

D

82

20

43

63

5

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

80

13

49

62

2006

1

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

80

16

64

80

2

Sergei Zubov

DAL

D

78

13

58

71

3

Bryan McCabe

TOR

D

73

19

49

68

4

Lubomir Visnovsky

LAK

D

80

17

50

67

5

Tomas Kaberle

TOR

D

82

9

58

67

2005

Lockout

2004

1

Sergei Gonchar

WSH, BOS

D

71

11

47

58

2

Chris Pronger

STL

D

80

14

40

54

3

Scott Niedermayer

NJD

D

81

14

40

54

4

Bryan McCabe

TOR

D

75

16

37

53

5

Marek Zidlicky

NSH

D

82

14

39

53

2003

1

Al Macinnis

STL

D

80

16

52

68

2

Sergei Gonchar

WSH

D

82

18

49

67

3

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

82

18

44

62

4

Sergei Zubov

DAL

D

82

11

44

55

5

Dan Boyle

TBL

D

77

13

40

53

2002

1

Sergei Gonchar

WSH

D

76

26

33

59

2

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

78

9

50

59

3

Rob Blake

COL

D

75

16

40

56

4

Brian Leetch

NYR

D

82

10

45

55

5

Sandis Ozolinsh

CAR, FLA

D

83

14

38

52

2001

1

Brian Leetch

NYR

D

82

21

58

79

2

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

82

15

56

71

3

Rob Blake

LAK, COL

D

67

19

40

59

4

Ray Bourque

COL

D

80

7

52

59

5

Sergei Gonchar

WSH

D

76

19

38

57

2000

1

Nicklas Lidstrom

DET

D

81

20

53

73

2

Chris Pronger

STL

D

79

14

48

62

3

Rob Blake

LAK

D

77

18

39

57

4

Eric Desjardins

PHI

D

81

14

41

55

5

Phil Housley

CGY

D

78

11

44

55

Time on Ice Leaders

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2013

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Ryan Suter

1,309:25

27:16

2

Brian Campbell

1,268:00

26:25

3

Drew Doughty

1,266:56

26:23

4

Shea Weber

1,244:14

25:55

5

Dion Phaneuf

1,208:33

25:10

2012

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Brian Campbell

2,205:31

26:53

2

Dan Girardi

2,152:20

26:14

3

Jay Bouwmeester

2,128:31

25:57

4

Francois Beauchemin

2,095:23

25:33

5

Ryan Suter

2,093:55

26:30

2011

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Duncan Keith

2,204:33

26:53

2

Jay Bouwmeester

2,130:56

25:59

3

Shea Weber

2,076:09

25:19

4

Zdeno Chara

2,060:13

25:26

5

Joe Corvo

2,031:50

24:46

2010

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Duncan Keith

2,180:34

26:35

2

Chris Pronger

2,125:58

25:55

3

Jay Bouwmeester

2,125:27

25:55

4

Scott Niedermayer

2,120:18

26:30

5

Mark Streit

2,107:14

25:41

2009

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Jay Bouwmeester

2,213:01

26:59

2

Chris Pronger

2,209:11

26:56

3

Scott Niedermayer

2,207:29

26:55

4

Dion Phaneuf

2,122:18

26:31

5

Zdeno Chara

2,085:28

26:04

2008

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Jay Bouwmeester

2,252:28

27:28

2

Dion Phaneuf

2,166:35

26:25

3

Duncan Keith

2,096:02

25:33

4

Francois Beauchemin

2,093:23

25:31

5

Brian Campbell

2,083:52

25:06

2007

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Zdeno Chara

2,237:19

27:57

2

Dan Boyle

2,218:07

27:03

3

Bryan McCabe

2,200:01

26:49

4

Nicklas Lidstrom

2,199:06

27:29

5

Sergei Gonchar

2,178:08

26:33

2006

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Tomas Kaberle

2,310:14

28:10

2

Nicklas Lidstrom

2,248:42

28:06

3

Chris Pronger

2,239:12

27:59

4

Brian Rafalski

2,093:07

25:31

5

Scott Niedermayer

2,091:32

25:30

2005

lockout

2004

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Nicklas Lidstrom

2,240:02

27:39

2

Chris Pronger

2,197:13

27:27

3

Adrian Aucoin

2,157:05

26:37

4

Mattias Ohlund

2,114:41

25:47

5

Scott Niedermayer

2,100:27

25:55

2003

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Nicklas Lidstrom

2,405:57

29:20

2

Sergei Gonchar

2,179:18

26:34

3

Al Macinnis

2,153:13

26:54

4

Sandis Ozolinsh

2,133:24

26:01

5

Derian Hatcher

2,119:51

25:51

2002

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Adrian Aucoin

2,340:25

28:53

2

Chris Pronger

2,298:58

29:28

3

Nicklas Lidstrom

2,247:07

28:48

4

Sergei Zubov

2,141:49

26:46

5

Derian Hatcher

2,133:33

26:40

2001

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Brian Leetch

2,407:16

29:21

2

Nicklas Lidstrom

2,332:38

28:26

3

Sergei Zubov

2,102:27

26:36

4

Robert Svehla

2,097:01

25:34

5

Eric Desjardins

2,089:11

26:26

2000

 

Player

TOI

TOI/G

1

Chris Pronger

2,389:03

30:14

2

Nicklas Lidstrom

2,328:19

28:44

3

Sergei Zubov

2,220:25

28:50

4

Rob Blake

2,193:52

28:29

5

Eric Desjardins

2,187:50

27:00

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